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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 194 for the seventh of

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July 2012 Richard Saunders with you from

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the San Francisco Bay Area here in very

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sunny oh ho ho very sunny California in

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fact I was watching the news reports

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tonight and uh as the u.s. listeners

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will know a lot of the country is

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experiencing quite dramatic heatwave

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conditions at the moment here in the San

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Francisco Bay Area it's not too it's not

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too bad but it's a it's pretty warm

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pretty warm nevertheless on this week's

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show Albert friend and East Coast us

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correspondent Travis Roy up there in New

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Hampshire chats to kitty mervine an old

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friend of mine kitty mervine I first met

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kitty in na oh I guess it was 2007 on

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the amazing cruise with james randi when

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we were cruising in Alaska that was fun

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anyway kitty has written a book for

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children called fairy tales fairly told

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fairy tales fairly told a book fairy

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tale book but a skeptical one The

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Skeptical one for children what an

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interesting idea we'll find out about

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that book and a bit more about kitty

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coming up at the top of the show then

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after the break its Maynard's spooky

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action now he's going to be interviewing

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dr. Rebecca Johnson from the Australian

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Museum all about wildlife crime wildlife

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crime yes those creatures in the in the

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wilderness committing all sorts of

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crimes not quite like that this is where

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very bad people try to use rare animals

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and plants and things like that and

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smuggling illegal drugs across borders

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it's a very sad story in a way these

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poor innocent animals being used to

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smuggle drugs but it does happen but

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thank goodness thank goodness there are

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people like

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dr. Rebecca Johnson who helped the

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police in detecting this sort of crime

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find out more with Maynard a little

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later on in the show and then Maynard

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catches up with some people at skeptics

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in the pub some new people to Sydney

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skeptics in the pub and ask them why

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they come along and what interest they

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have in skepticism before we get to all

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that some big news yes we have a winner

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we have a winner for the religious

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biblical limerick competition and the

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winner will receive the Christ conundrum

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book autographed by Andrew Carruth being

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sent to you and the winner is chosen by

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Stefan was James Prendergast now here

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has read by the judge Stefan soika the

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co-host of the skeptic zone from time to

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time here is the winning entry there

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who built a great arc for Jehovah

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the wind made to spec its size is

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thank you James and thank you Stefan and

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thank you to all those people who send

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in limericks we've been having a great

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time reading some of those I think we

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could probably publish some and all

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those limericks that were sending will

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be sent to the author of the book and

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recruit the author of the book the

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Christ conundrum thank you to everybody

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such fun to do that I think we'll do a

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competition like that again in the not

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too distant future now for those people

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in the San Francisco Bay Area i'll be in

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berkeley on the 11th that's a wednesday

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night coming up giving a talk about

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power balance just Google Bay Area

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skeptics for more information about that

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it would be great to see you there and

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thank you to those people who have been

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writing to me and twitting and all sorts

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of things asking me about my jet lag

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because on last week's show I think I

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told everybody how I was trying to

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prepare for jet lag by getting up early

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for a whole week in Sydney Australia to

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get myself sort of adjusted to this time

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zone here in the United States well my

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partial success I must say maybe I was

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expecting too much it's six five or six

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hours and it really makes a big

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difference I think the worst part is the

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worst party is lying awake in bed at

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night hour after hour thinking to myself

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this is crazy i should be asleep this is

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crazy i should be asleep but you know

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of helped a little bit I am it's hard to

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get up in the morning at eight o'clock

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or nine o'clock when the alarm clock

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rings because your body's still sound

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asleep its face it folks jet lag is just

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not nice it's unpleasant but you know

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travel around the world maybe next time

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I should take a ship that's that Peggy

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ship slow boat across the Pacific as

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long as it's got internet I should be

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all right now this week's episode of the

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skeptic zone yeah like a few weeks ago

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is a little bit on the short side it's a

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bit hard to put together everything when

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you're on the run on the move on the

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I hope you don't mind the slight

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be shorter skeptic that zone this week

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but don't worry don't worry coming up me

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nods going to be running around Las

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Vegas I'm going to be spending a lot of

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time keeping him out of trouble hmm we

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get a little serious think about that

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while I'm doing that you know run upset

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because I'm in the cellar at the moment

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in a basement i'm going to run upstairs

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grab that lovely American root beer out

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of the fridge while we all enjoy the

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kitty mervine is an artist skeptic and

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teacher her latest project for can't

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inquiry is a children's book called

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fairy tales fairly told with the

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foreword by james randi our east coast

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USA correspondent travis roy sat down

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with kittie and asked her why she wrote

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such a book hi this is a travis roy

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reporting from Antrim new hampshire on

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lovely what lake is this Lake Franklin

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Granite State skeptics skeptic camp yes

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it is my husband and I a couple years

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ago bought a sort of run down what we

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really a cabin and this has sort of been

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the scene of many a skeptic get together

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so we've sort of dubbed it the official

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summer camp headquarters for a crazy

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skeptic parties and there are quite the

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parties they are um I'd say so and

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neighbors because you live on emerald

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lake which is the next town over and in

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the summer i live on Lake Franklin

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which is the best lake because of course

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Lake Franklin Pierce is the best like

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but your legs okay our like is very

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small so that's that's what we have so

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the reason I want to talk to you today

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you have a new book that's coming out or

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has come out you'll have it Tam yeah can

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you tell us a little bit about the book

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okay this is my second children's

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skeptic storybook it's written for ages

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3 to 10 but i think that adults can also

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enjoy it and the main purpose is really

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just to feel a gap

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that I felt was there for passing on our

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skeptic morals and beliefs to our

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youngest children that a lot of people

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don't think that you should start

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talking to your child about what it

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means to be an atheist or what it means

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to be a critical thinker until they're

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you know teenagers and the time to start

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skeptical education my belief is from

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birth so the book seems to be a lot of

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stories that people might be familiar

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bit is that true ah yes the name of the

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book is fairy tales fairly told and it's

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a reworking of a lot of fairy tales that

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we've all grown up with but I think with

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a skeptic twist on the end of them The

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Fairly told is is sort of you know often

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that the big bad wolf turns out to be

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kind of a nice wolf than someone we can

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get along with that sort of thing and

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controversial probably for the the

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average family this is really a book

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focused for skeptic and atheist parents

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only so I would be careful if you buy

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the book and and give it to your ear

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Fundy nephew or niece because yeah then

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the family may not be speaking to you

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for a little bit the other thing was the

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purpose of the book was for camp inquiry

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right yes I was very lucky that camp

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inquiry asked for copies of the first

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book Ziggy and Lisa skeptic friends

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which are about a Swedish dog and cat

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that actually do exist and actually our

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best friends and they have little

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skeptic adventures and that book is a

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hundred percent safe for you to

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indoctrinate secretly any nieces or

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nephews much safer than fairy tales

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fairly told and

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that i gave them copies of the book and

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i was amazed that i got letters and

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emails and people would come up to me at

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skeptic meetings and say how much they

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enjoyed the book and their children

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enjoyed the book and hey what was i

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doing for camp inquiry next year and I

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hadn't really thought about writing

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second book but I thought well if this

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obviously is Annie that needs to be

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filled and so I decided to take classic

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fairy tales give them a little bit of

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twist and it really turns out to be a

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lot of fun great so um okay so you're

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going to be bringing some of the books

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to Tam a very limited number right yes

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and after Tam where would people be able

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to get the book um right now you can

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email me at fairly told @ gmail.com and

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hopefully soon it will be available on

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amazon for sale and it should be noted

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at all profits from both my skeptic

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books go to skeptic children's education

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I've trying to pay a dollar a book to my

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really wonderful illustrator who did an

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incredible job with illustrations in the

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book oz name's Noah whippy and he's

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young man he has sight problems so he

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can't drive and so for him to do a

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drawing it really takes him a long time

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but the results are truly remarkable and

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everyone especially loves the Scottish

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otters that he drew for my story about

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these Scottish otters that like to

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pretend that they're a lake monster and

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they live on the cover is also quite

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amazing it's a it seems to be some type

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of wizard that looks oddly familiar yes

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it's an oddly familiar very tall James

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Randy and I think the number one thing

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eat Randy is oh he's shorter than I

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thought and then once you start talking

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to me get to know him he becomes his

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usual six foot five six foot ten I don't

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know self so since Noah has only seen

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Randy on TV and in photographs he drew

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Randy looking like maybe in his younger

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years he could have played basketball

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the joke is that it's either a very tall

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children standing around him listening

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to the story but Randy offaly approved

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of it and I think got a kick out of

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seeing how he would look if he were

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really tall I'm sure so the so there's

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also an introduction by Randy yes Randy

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a very kindly agreed to do introduction

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to the book he had a lot of input and

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influence on this entire book I would

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often send him down stories and say what

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do you think ah do you think this is

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okay and you know get his reassurance

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and so I was actually down to visit him

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in Florida or my birthday and Randy sort

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of surprised me by cooking me lunch and

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having a birthday cake so while he was

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in a good mood I decided I'd hit him up

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and say hey would you write the forward

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to the book and he didn't hesitate and

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said sure and the amazing apart about of

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course the amazing Randi is he had it to

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me within 48 hours and it's a really you

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know wonderful gift that he's given me

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by writing the introduction I'd also

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like to say that one of the stories in

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the book that was extraordinarily

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difficult for me to write was the story

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with the Atheist theme and the atheist

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hero and I have to confess I'm not an

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atheist so I felt very presumptive and

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you know should I really write a story

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about atheists when I'm not an atheist

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myself and I wanted to put that in there

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because I don't think any skeptic

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for young children would be complete

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without atheists and I wrote to Randy

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and I said do you can I do is what do

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you think you know if you think I'm out

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of line just just tell me and he was

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like go for it do it don't worry about

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what anybody says you know so I wrote it

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and sent it down to him and he was like

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great so that really gave me sort of the

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courage to write the story and include

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it in there and if anyone has any

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problems and I'm not an atheist I should

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say I really wrote it for my own

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children who are very very slow about

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giving me grandchildren but I know when

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they do give me grandchildren and they

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better they will be raised as atheists

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and I wanted them to have a story from

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their grandmother that said hey I'm love

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you i'm proud of you um I'm perfectly

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fine that you're an atheist and and

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here's the story for you thank you to

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Travis Roy and thank you too kitty

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mervine now you can meet Kitty at the

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amazing meeting in Las Vegas coming up

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next week and to find out more about

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Kitty and her books you can visit the

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the hand side is a podcast of the

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monthly lectures ranbir camera skeptics

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incorporate each month camera skeptics

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from science and philosophy to politics

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and national security with an

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opportunity to present their views you

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can find us at WWE embryo skeptics dog

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latte you the hand side cameras kept its

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here's my not spooky action at a

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well let me tell you I've just been

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watching about the wildlife forensic

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your wonderful talk presented at the

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skeptics in the pub and let me tell you

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i'm going back to smuggling drugs now

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after seeing this if you want to put a

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squirrel in your pants these people are

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going to catch you who have we got here

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and who do you represent my name is dr.

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rebecca johnson and i am the manager of

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the wildlife genetics and microscopy

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unit at the australian museum and what's

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been the biggest case you've been

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involved with that's a really difficult

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question to answer we've been involved

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in so many and they range from insects

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to snakes too domestic animals to

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cockatoos parrot they're always

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different and they're always a new

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challenge yeah are you an animal lover

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that gets quite upset when they see

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these animals sometimes still alive

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shoved into confined spaces and that

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kind of thing is that a problem for you

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as well we'd have to put that to one

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side and put the scientific bonnet on

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vigorously often there please have to

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kill these animals don't think one of

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the one of the side effects people

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perhaps don't consider is that often

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these animals are euthanized at the

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border so most of time we don't see them

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in the state that they're apprehended

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and it's not really my job to pass

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judgments my job to investigate the

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facts in these kind of cases and and the

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judgment happens later hmm and look and

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often there is organized crime involves

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does that mean you've got to be a bit

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cloak and dagger about this it's all

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very secret into the courts over we

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treat it like a like a proper court case

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where we don't talk about it until it's

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gone to prosecution till there's being

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sentencing because you really I don't

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want to be in a position where I have

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potentially compromised the backs of a

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case by talking about them before it's

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finished hmm look now what was the go

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with the guy who was claiming to have

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had a squirrel any socks and he didn't

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know I mean look a squirrel anywhere on

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your body in any body part you're going

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to notice it these were pretty important

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pair of socks because he sent them in a

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courier parcel but I don't know how I

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don't I don't treat my socks with such

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respect shy I I don't even think I post

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them I I certainly wouldn't career them

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yeah but you know but them alike to

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throw them away than mail and back to

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Australia that would be more likely it

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definitely and also the penalties don't

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seem to be that great can

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sidering how much you can get for some

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of these animals overseas that the

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people don't they don't go for much of

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fine the fines are it is it's a very

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unusual crime and and the courts don't

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see a huge amount of it so so there are

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penalties available and and they are

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increasingly being applied and when you

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think of that a lot of animals are worth

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quite a bit as some illegal drugs are so

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you know you think that the the

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penalties will be applied there is it

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because they just aren't many crimes

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like that full stop that's the reason

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why they don't have a larger penalty

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they probably are yeah if you're going

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to call it day after day and you're

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looking at drug smuggling and you're

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looking at weapon smuggling perhaps the

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wildlife is something a little bit

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different and and perhaps people need to

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know a little bit about science and how

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these things can affect biodiversity

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taking an endangered animal out of the

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wild actually has my diversity of

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biodiversity how is it actually is it

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like tie on it we're not very partly

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biodiversity check that there yeah and

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actually now what is the Cathar yeah

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yeah yeahs biodiversity so what there's

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less animals around that's the way

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evolution happens naturally but what is

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the what's what's the consequence of

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less biodiversity if we're thinking

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about biodiversity biodiversity as a big

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long chain and yes of course things

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naturally do go extinct but but but

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that's naturally that's not from

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removing all of the Sharks from the sea

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who have a really important role that

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they eat other fish you eat other fish

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to eat other invertebrates and they're

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all part of this long food chain and if

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you if you remove one of those really

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important parts of the chain kind of

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abruptly that that is not natural

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evolution and that is disrupting

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biodiversity hmmm and what has been the

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most difficult case that you've been

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involved in the one that's taken the

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longest and you really had to hit the

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books we pretty much have to hit the

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books or every case it's if it's a

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reptile we have to go and figure out

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what what do we know about that well as

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it has nothing published in the

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literature so we have things in the

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museum collection that will be useful

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for that case do we need to develop new

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markers because we do with so many

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different species we're not like

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human forensics whoo-hoo get to work

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really hard on one species yeah so do

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you reckon maybe a human forensics has

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been easy then Williams they're just

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dealing with one species it's like only

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dealing with one element on the periodic

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table and that would that would be the

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element of surprise my favorite I'm not

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gonna get involved in friends Awards

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here actually is there a pecking order

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in the interim forensic science when you

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turn up to do a bit of forensic work on

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the cat do the people from see us like

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I'll yes sure cat you know that sort of

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thing I mean it does that really happen

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like in hospitals I know you know the

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thoracic surgeons probably look down on

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the dermatologists and the neurosurgeons

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look down on the thoracic surgeons at

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forensic conferences we always have the

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most interesting stories I think you get

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but you're the one they want to talk to

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at the bar because they're all they're

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all used to talking about human DNA yeah

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that's correct what do you think is the

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challenge for the Australian Museum like

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I mean I've been lucky enough to speak

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to people there about poor Prince of

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people and clam to Ben oh there's a big

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leopard in our area it turns out to be a

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dog I I'd probably not a challenge but I

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think it's just always really worth

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remembering that we do science there we

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do this kind of research that allows us

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to do forensics we describe new species

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we look at how they relate to other

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species and and that's exactly what you

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do if you're asked to identify an

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unknown gallbladder what do you do you

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sequence it or you look at it and you

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slot it into a tree because you know a

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lot about other animals that are that

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it's suspected to be a wicked people go

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online and see what you guys get up to

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the museum has a fabulous website we're

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all you can always come into Sydney and

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and pop in and see us at the Museum

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we're open every day except christmas

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day at all we also have a Facebook page

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and we have a few quite celebrity

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characters one's called mr blobby and

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he's a fish and he's on facebook all the

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time and people ask me questions they

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asked him to identify other fish and and

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so that's a pretty neat way of asking

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questions too in fact a few of the

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there's been a couple of celebrity

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animals getting around this actually

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snaps the elephant from the zoo has a

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twitter account there's quite popular we

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we have a gecko who has a twitter

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account as a story years of facebook

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page he's an indigenous gecko so

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does he Twitter's only Facebook's a lot

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about NATO quake and other indigenous

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issues that are happening around because

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the museum we obviously has a rather

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large cultural aspect to what we do and

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so we yeah I think think we kind of

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we're pretty well-rounded we're not huge

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but we do a lot of good things and one

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last question what's your favorite

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exhibit at the Australian Museum when

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you walk past you go man that's hot i

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I've got such a soft spot for Eric the

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player saw he's an opal eyes dinosaur so

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he he's not only the dinosaur but he's

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opal and so he's beautiful and he's

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quite small so he's you know he fits

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into the size of a suitcase basically

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and and he's real and so you can see him

546
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he's very valuable and he's pretty

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special i canna show you when i lived

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the country as i will be in the next few

549
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days and hopefully I've allowed back I

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will be taking absolutely no wildlife on

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my person I've completely abandoned that

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idea after seeing you here tonight I am

553
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very very pleased to hear that well

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we're here with some first time is here

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at their skipping to the pub who we got

556
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I'm hall and hazel now why don't you

557
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come along watch your side okay I want

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to give it skeptical on a cold wintry

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Thursday night in Sydney a long time

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skeptic and we have been talking about

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coming for a long time always listen to

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the podcast you know we just kind of

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said women ones with this long enough

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let's just do it so yeah we just did it

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was like what are you skeptical about oh

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okay well I can opt out I'll phrase that

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in a different way everyone's got their

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own bit of whew that always get some

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going what what's the word that really

570
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stirs you right up well what readings

571
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tears me up is psychic spring messages

572
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from beyond the grave it really upsets

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me and only this week there was an

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article in our no canoes paper about a

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family who'd been spoken to trivia

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skeptic from beyond the grave I just

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think it's heartbreaking for people

578
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that's what really gets me and and they

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were believing what they're being told

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they were

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I know like when you're grieving you you

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want to believe and hope you're getting

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a message but I just think it's horrible

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exploitation I've mentioned this a

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couple of times on the show and it would

586
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completely change the fabric of our

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society if we could regularly and often

588
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whenever we want to communicate with

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everyone that it ever died let alone

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just your grandparents I mean imagine

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having to communicate with all those

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people I mean sometimes it can be kind

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of annoying when your parents are

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ringing all the time and they can't

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think I'm imagining what it would be

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like if everyone that it ever been alive

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could contact you and you could contact

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them you probably wouldn't get anything

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00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:42,040
else done but talking to the dead to be

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so many people to talk to absolutely

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edit via and you would have to advanced

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physics because you could just keep

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asking Einstein to review refine what

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he'd done the question is do you think

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they'd want to talk to us after they

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passed on they probably all deserve a

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really good rest alone them I mean I'm

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sure they'd love to talk to us and tell

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us how much they love us but what's

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wrong little bit rest yes absolutely I

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couldn't what do you make it the crowd

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is what you expected yeah absolutely is

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like a great crowd everyone is very

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friendly everyone jump is not too loud

615
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it's a bit loud but it's okay you think

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you'll be back definitely yes been a

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great nice what's the word that gets you

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by the way psychics are a big one for me

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but I'm also very get very angry about

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things like homeopathy and naturopathy

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and so I kind of quack medical to the

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stuff and how do you go in the office

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like where you've got to be polite with

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people you got to work with the maid

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good at keeping keeping it you know

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taking the big glass and shut up juice I

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I do I try to take some pages out of j

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novellas book I think on that on that be

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I would I definitely did a lot of work

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around my office a lot of people

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interested naturopathy and we often see

632
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on that the notice board at work people

633
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are spruiking this stuff I still enjoy

634
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astrology and I'm a little bit on board

635
00:27:59,120 --> 00:27:55,780
with it because it's kind of a fun thing

636
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is it some zooming anyway

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no I I just think to myself some cosine

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T fight your mouth shut push as long as

639
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it's harmless it's it's okay i think but

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if it was something like someone said

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I've stopped going to my doctor because

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I think I can eat the score leaf clover

643
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then maybe i might think about saying

644
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something oh well I'll see you here next

645
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in a world where the truth is a matter

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your messages are a scene for beyond the

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andreasen is sidelined for magical

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they sweep then stand between the cruise

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emotion martyr

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what date is it 787 thing this is

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impressive it's a detail system present

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they're not their photographs of Chinese

653
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anthem it's not we are not well received

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good God we're fully don't discuss

655
00:29:16,249 --> 00:29:14,369
cryptozoology on the show very often

656
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because we don't know anything about how

657
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the truth the prosecutor lower lower

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lower and then he hits the ceiling it's

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a ceiling for the Rubin or skeptic to

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the cave and Moses high skeptics society

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find us on iTunes or you know don't the

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dirty disbelievers episode 9 don't harsh

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my mellow man yes dr. H in Richard

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Saunders attend a new age fair and rude

665
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words fly you know the being called

666
00:29:52,219 --> 00:29:48,839
clever is not always a good thing but

667
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dirty disbelievers 930 disbelievers calm

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Manor calm that are you and where all

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ya gotta kiss her Eva's

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone now let me have a look at my clock

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now Oh as i'm recording this it's coming

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up to 9 p.m. maybe maybe i'll even be

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asleep by midnight wouldn't that be nice

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yeah i might just do that all those

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people coming to the amazing meeting in

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las vegas please say hello to me and dr.

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H E and Iran sir give and Maynard from

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the skeptic zone and our editor of the

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skeptic magazine Tim mendham will be

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there also lots of people from Australia

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besides us of course running around

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can't wait to catch up with all my

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friends it's going to be a great time

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and for all you people who can't make

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tam and of course that that will be many

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of you i hope in the coming weeks we can

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give you a flavor a sense of what it's

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all about certainly lots of interviews

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and lots of fun but for this week this

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is Richard Saunders signing off from the

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San Francisco Bay Area you've been

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listening to the skeptic zone

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